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General DiscussionBS vs Huskar

BS vs Huskar in General Discussion
Kotato

    Ok, this is not funny anymore! Already several games where my pos1 last picks bloodsucker versus enemy Huskar saying that it is a counter. Naturally, we get stomped. Why on earth people think bs is a counter to Huskar as position 1? Why not pick CK/PL into huskar instead? (even sven would be better there) What is going on with this shitty bracket :(

    PS Do you think BS can be pos1 at all in this meta?

    Example of my last game with BS https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3747665903

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    Melt

      if he skips midas and gets blademail bkb he wins the 1v1 probably. 1v1 is never gonna happen tho.
      didnt see bs in a few months

      SASA POPOVIC

        Well couple of patches ago Huskar was supose to be bad vs agi carries, but not anymore, only illusion heroes really fuck him and maybe PA, hardly anyone else can 1v1 Huskar and win.

        bearcat0611

          its the same theory that pre rework viper is a counter to huskar, you get stronger as he gets stronger, unfortunately bs is also horrible against burst damage, which a half health huskar has quite a lot of.

          Kotato

            even specter is much better according to dotabuff statistics. BS has really no advantage and I ocnsider bs not be able to be pos1 in most of the games

            Tribo

              Pick Beastmaster and shit on Huskar

              Tribo

                Do you think BS can be pos1 at all in this meta?

                Yea he can be but versus certain line-ups(same as Slark or AM).

                bearcat0611

                  he just dies too easily. Otherwise he has the damage and control.

                  Kotato

                    Pick Beastmaster and shit on Huskar

                    tribo, you know, I cant, I first pick silencer everygame

                    Talker

                      SD is nice counter to huskar.

                      Copies of huskar just do insane dmg, his ulti purges and the extra 40% dmg... Huskar is one of my favourites, when playing SD. As well Viper - he almost dies on his 2 illusions. :))

                      Rocket

                        why don't you consider rupture a counter to huskar?

                        SASA POPOVIC

                          why don't you consider rupture a counter to huskar?

                          Only if you initiate on him first but you will hardly kill him alone, unless you outfarmed him heavily, he will just chill in place rightclicking you to death, silence will not shut down his passive which is the reason you are dead, there is handful of heroes that can manfight Huskar, BS is not one of them.

                          I dont see scenario where BS wins unless Huskar is complete moron and chases you with Rupture on him for no reason.

                          Rocket

                            you don't need to kill him alone. its a team-game.

                            GAFF

                              I think bloodseeker is a pretty good counter to Huskar if itemized correctly and assuming you are not laning against him. Bloodseeker cannot go a greedy such as midas/radiance/bkb build, but will probably need to go something like treads/aquila/blademail/bkb. You also can't go wrong with Solar Crest or Heaven's halberd.

                              When I play Huskar I like to rush armlet and armlet toggle farm neutrals/ancients in between creep waves and bloodseeker's passive makes that hard take advantage of that farming efficiency. You can't really armlet toggle an early roshan either.

                              Having said all of that, Bloodseeker is no guaranteed win vs. Huskar because having the right supports backing Huskar can overcome any counter with maybe the exception of Ancient Apparition.

                              SASA POPOVIC

                                you don't need to kill him alone. its a team-game.

                                But thats the whole point of a counter, you cant call something counter if you lose from it, also where is Huskars team? ^^

                                Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                  rupture is useless against huskar. it prevents him from ulting, but thats about it. blood rite is much more useful. huskar almost never moves anyway because people use like 103213 stuns on him and he just sits there hitting towers. picking bs is still better than picking some shit like spectre or antimage. at least bs has some sources of pure damage and bloodrage can be really good against huskar (you use it on him and pray that he doesnt kill anyone). blademail is not very useful against huskar because of his high magic res and most of his damage comes from spears.

                                  Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                    "But thats the whole point of a counter, you cant call something counter if you lose from it"
                                    okay i need to burn my eyes after this sentence. CRUSADER 2 WISDOM RIGHT HERE

                                    Shou

                                      Bs isn't a counter but bloodrite is seriously annoying
                                      Obv ck or Pl r better counters but it doesn't make bs horrible

                                      SASA POPOVIC

                                        "But thats the whole point of a counter, you cant call something counter if you lose from it"
                                        okay i need to burn my eyes after this sentence. CRUSADER 2 WISDOM RIGHT HERE

                                        make a video of your selfharm and post on liveleak pls, i have gore fetish, ty!

                                        IF BS is hardcounter to Huskar i am fucking Donald Trump!

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                                        Rocket

                                          didn't really have a choice but to pick BS once there was a huskar in the game :D https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3748821765

                                          Jerson

                                            So guy who trashed you at mid miraculously drops and abandons the game and you steamroll them 5v4, okay im convinced, BS > Huskar!

                                            /thread!

                                            Potato Marshal

                                              You beat a Huskar who didn't even get armlet, but still managed to take 12 minutes to finish treads.

                                              Rocket

                                                you can only beat what is put in front of you ;p

                                                ps was a stupid game with an sf+sniper dual mid into sniper rage quit.

                                                SASA POPOVIC

                                                  ps was a stupid game with an sf+sniper dual mid into sniper rage quit.

                                                  Yeah stuff like that is usual in low brackets, thats why people call it trench or elo hell. What else is new?

                                                  bearcat0611

                                                    Im still confused by the guy claiming a viper dies to sd illusions of himself. How viper has just so little damage that illusions get, most of his damage comes from his spells.

                                                    Shou

                                                      ^i think he meant huskar, but it still makes no sense since huskar illusions r weak

                                                      Vandal

                                                        Huskar doesn't mind BS. but if BS can use the thirst to murder people and snowball and take early objectives then maybe.

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                                                        Jacked

                                                          bloodseeker is a pretty good counter cuz of thirst. but maybe bs is just a shit hero

                                                          Potato Marshal

                                                            There are so many hard counters to Huskar, I'm not sure why anyone would pick BS specifically as a counter. Huskar has no aoe, no hard disables, no chase, no escape, no armor, his main source of damage doesn't go through magic immunity, so many ways to exploit his weaknesses.

                                                            GAFF

                                                              his main source of damage doesn't go through magic immunity

                                                              His main source of damage is not magical unless you are going aghs Huskar. I'd say at least two-thirds of his damage dealt in a given game is physical.

                                                              The best counter to Huskar is Ancient Apparition and a lot of stuns. Spirit Vessel is an okay counter, but a good huskar will save/use his ult to purge it off. Late game, illusions are a good counter if you can get that far. (ex. PL/TB)

                                                              Shou

                                                                ^if uve ever been silenced as huskar and cant burning spears ull realize how low his dmg becomes

                                                                ive beaten a pl by applying a burning spear to the main by analyzing his hoarde of shits, then tracking him down, since the burning spears debuff is unpurgeable u can find him even if he doppelgangers

                                                                Light

                                                                  @GAFF bro are you serious, most of huskars damage is magic damage (burning spears) without that he just tickles you most of the time, unless he has an mkb or deso or some crazy shit like that

                                                                  low prio master

                                                                    Ofc bs can't carry at all not vs typical strength carries

                                                                    Player 345996680

                                                                      huskar uses ulti on bloodseeker, bloodseeker ruptures huskar, blinks forces and runs away

                                                                      gg end

                                                                      hard countered kappa

                                                                      bearcat0611

                                                                        Huskar really doesn't deal that much physical damage until late game at which point he does have respectable damage but unless you are low it can be hard to output it. Burning spears is so much of your damage even late game though.

                                                                        casual gamer

                                                                          "huskar in late game" is not a hypothetical that a huskar player wants to realize

                                                                          GAFF

                                                                            @GAFF bro are you serious, most of huskars damage is magic damage (burning spears) without that he just tickles you most of the time, unless he has an mkb or deso or some crazy shit like that 

                                                                            Yes, I am serious. Look at arguably the best Huskar player currently, Secret.Ace, magic/physical damage:

                                                                            https://www.dotabuff.com/players/97590558/matches?enhance=combat&hero=huskar

                                                                            Physical outweighs magical damage in the majority of his games.

                                                                            Shou

                                                                              no one said huskar doesnt do physical dmg, but a huge portion of ur dmg is magical, similar deal with gyro or even tiny or smth

                                                                              Jacked

                                                                                all who says blood shouldnt be picked as a counter to huskar. y'all actually have no idea what you are talking about. because blood is one of the main counters to huskar. huskar wants to be on low hp throughout the game to farm. without being low hp he farms so damn slow. which means blood has a superb time all game. now whether blood can make use of that is another story.

                                                                                rupture + pure damage silence ensures huskar has really no dps and becomes easily kited.

                                                                                Kotato

                                                                                  ^so is that why dotabuff says that huskar has 3.5% advantage versus BS?

                                                                                  Rocket

                                                                                    where are you seeing that? if I look at the counters tab, it says huskar has a 0.7% disadvantage to bs this patch.

                                                                                    Jacked

                                                                                      yea dono where you're getting your stats from fam.

                                                                                      Kotato

                                                                                        sorry it came out to be 0.35% disadvantage of bs versus huskar (bs df page), my mistake

                                                                                        ETd

                                                                                          The main thing that I find annoying when I play Huskar against a BS is that I can't take rosh. Which really limits Huskar. He wants to get aegis ASAP and armlet push towers to death, then kill everyone who contests. But he can't solo armlet toggle rosh because he'll be seen by Blood.
                                                                                          I think that's what makes BS so annoying against Huskar, more than the "oh I have pure damage to go through your 3rd skill"

                                                                                          Shou

                                                                                            A lot of what bs does fucks with huskar
                                                                                            It's not an auto lose counter like all but it's good

                                                                                            Northway

                                                                                              well cuz low bracket people think huskar being mostly low health = higher ms and damge for bs =counter. But the sad true bs is never really that good against strong carries in 1 on 1 combat.