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General Discussion1k games are harder than 3k.

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    why don't u make another thread about how dota stats sites are keeping u down in normal skill bracket?

    '96 Neve Campbell

      why don't u make another thread about how dota stats sites are keeping u down in normal skill bracket?
      Why don't you make a thread about how you are a sad incel with nothing better to do with their time than be a forum nuisance? Oh wait, you did that already.

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        whoopsie, looks like someone soiled their diaper :(

        Vandal

          in 1k people have very terrible moving patterns and ganks are so inefficient they're almost always avoidable. just keep looking at mini map and force some TPs and your team should almost never feel pressured. you can 1v5 just by having a mobile hero and making sure people follow you.

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          '96 Neve Campbell

            whoopsie, looks like someone soiled their diaper :(
            yeah, you whenever you think about what your existence amounts too, 2/10 insults on the internet and dota on your own?

            play for fun

              oyoyoy baby is angry because stinky poopoo is irritating its bumbum? maybe you should cry more so mommy comes and changes it :(

              '96 Neve Campbell

                in 1k people have very terrible moving patterns and ganks are so inefficient they're almost always avoidable. just keep looking at mini map and force some TPs and your team should almost never feel pressured. you can 1v5 just by having a mobile hero and making sure people follow you.

                Problem is it is hard to gage where the other team is. Obviously you can have a rough idea but wards are badly placed by supports to the point where I usually have to plant them myself. Also the other team often won't have a proper concept of space and where it is and isnt safe to be on the map. Meaning I could be in an area that is conventionally safe and encounter the other team because they don't understand where their map control is.

                eXcel

                  You play EUW, add me and let me be the judge of your skill. I'll even spectate your games live and point out your mistakes as to why you're stuck in solo.

                  SASA POPOVIC

                    Problem is it is hard to gage where the other team is. Obviously you can have a rough idea but wards are badly placed by supports to the point where I usually have to plant them myself. Also the other team often won't have a proper concept of space and where it is and isnt safe to be on the map. Meaning I could be in an area that is conventionally safe and encounter the other team because they don't understand where their map control is.

                    Sorry but this is on you, its really basic mapawareness concept, you have just showed us your skill, you dont need wards to guess where enemies are, you have your own creeps that give you vision, so to move around the map safely you just need to count to 5, because ideal gank situation is support that initiate and disables + core that finishes you off. Is creep wave colided at enemy half of the map? Is enemy core present on the map to enjoy that safe free farm? If the answer is no then he is doing something more profitable! So you look at the clock, lets say its 15mins game time, what can enemy Core do at 15minute mark? Take Rosh? Not really unlesss its Ursa/Lycan, he can conect with his friends and put pressure at one of your lanes, is your lane pressurable? Are you overextend ? If yes then you are getting ganked! Congratulations, now you know how to read a map!

                    BTW 3k has very basics concept of map awareness your is not even that.

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                    '96 Neve Campbell

                      Sorry but this is on you, its really basic mapawareness concept, you have just showed us your skill, you dont need wards to guess where enemies are, you have your own creeps that give you vision, so to move around the map safely you just need to count to 5, because ideal gank situation is support that initiate and disables + core that finishes you off. Is creep wave colided at enemy half of the map? Is enemy core present on the map to enjoy that safe free farm? If the answer is no then he is doing something more profitable! So you look at the clock, lets say its 15mins game time, what can enemy Core do at 15minute mark? Take Rosh? Not really unlesss its Ursa/Lycan, he can conect with his friends and put pressure at one of your lanes, is your lane pressurable? Are you overextend ? If yes then you are getting ganked! Congratulations, now you know how to read a map!
                      But you just misunderstood everything I wrote. I just said you can have a rough idea if where the enemy team is (largely because of where creeps are.etc) but I literally just said that people in 1k don't play properly because they DONT have map awareness or skill. That core you are talking about is missing not because hes doing something profitable but because he doesnt know where the farm is. I know where map control is because I watched plenty of videos on it in the day and I was taught about it by divine players, the problem is what is applicable to >3k games isnt applicable to 1k. The rules of the game are different down there and it makes reading the situation much harder because they dont think and pace games logically. They will gank you at times where they dont have the upper hand and will sit back at times where ganking would be profitable. It makes games hard to play because unless you utterly crush the enemy into submission within the first 20m of the game they become incredibly unpredictable, not because they are smart and change things up but because they are so poor that they do shit that makes no sense.

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                      Vandal

                        @parmaviolets

                        Let me tell you an example

                        I was playing Clinkz. My team was doing some retarded 3v5 fight top (They overstayed their welcome after killing a puny support and now the Hell broke loose there). I had foreseen this situation when I saw my mid TPing top to gank, so I just started pushing bot and took the first tower while they were getting all the attention. They got wiped but now I was destroying the second tower. so knowing 3 people had TP'd top to wipe my team, Only 2 had Tps, the 2 that were already top (they couldn't disable me thanks to my strafe dodge) so I hit the tower Until they both showed up to shoo me away. then went to their jungle and farmed until one of the 2 starts solo pushing the lane (because support doesn't like just sitting next to core watching him last hit and will probably go back and join the other 3). Then go pick off that one core and repeat the same routine. Next time more Heroes will come and There's a high chance every one has Tps so now I'm more careful and as soon as I force rotations I go to trees and TP to top and do the same thing again. in the meantime my team could be getting wiped over again or just farming jungle or pushing. doesn't matter because I'm forcing lots of rotations and being a giant nuisance despite my team losing all fights.
                        Non of that would work If I was just too scared to push until the 2 enemy heroes show up because then I wouldn't know where they are and I couldn't make a move. but forcing stuff means they have to show themselves so you can make more plays. in most of those games my team never buys wards while enemy somehow spends 10k on sentries. they still can't use the vision against me because They have to react to my pushes and show in lane (Against NP I literally sit next to a pushed wave waiting for him to teleport and get Nullified+Silenced to death). Almost no single hero can stop my pushes so they can almost never group up as 5 (or even 4). How can they end the game like that?

                        of course in top tier mmr The vision war is so annoying No body is showing anything on map unless they really need to, ganks are super efficient and you don't see retarded mexican standoff like in 1ks to give you minutes of free push, and you can never be sure If there's a Grimstroke waiting to counter initiate on you (because the Grim knows You're afraid of him so He hardly ever shows his face on map). but in 1k People probably won't notice you going toward them even if there were wards the entire way.

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                        MuLLi

                          Why people feel like 1k is hard??? Because smurfs!!! Game is rigged and make people frustrated because they feel all they are not learning

                          MuLLi

                            Every fucking smurf is cancer to dota

                            MuLLi

                              1k is really 1 to 6k game so its not 1k its sometimes normal sometimes HS sometimes VHS game u encounter

                              Kevdog

                                About a year ago I really did wonder maybe if all these people complaining about their rank had a point, so I bought a 1k account and saw what it was really like. Turns out, it wasn't bad like all these people complaining it was. I climbed out of 1k with trying new heroes with probably over 90 percent winrate. If you really are 3.5k, it should be very easy for you to climb out of 1k solo, and at least be able to hit ~500 mmr lower than where you should be without even trying.
                                Heres the account I did it on:
                                https://www.dotabuff.com/players/318120573

                                MuLLi

                                  Yeah again smurf!!! This just proves 1k is full of smurfs. STOP playing solo games they are not valid dota at all!

                                  Kevdog

                                    Or it just proves that if you actually have skill you can get out of 1k lmao

                                    MuLLi

                                      Who said im in 1k? Or i have problems to raise :D Im just talking about the thread and 1k is so smurfed

                                      '96 Neve Campbell

                                        @parmaviolets

                                        Let me tell you an example

                                        I was playing Clinkz. My team was doing some retarded 3v5 fight top (They overstayed their welcome after killing a puny support and now the Hell broke loose there). I had foreseen this situation when I saw my mid TPing top to gank, so I just started pushing bot and took the first tower while they were getting all the attention. They got wiped but now I was destroying the second tower. so knowing 3 people had TP'd top to wipe my team, Only 2 had Tps, the 2 that were already top (they couldn't disable me thanks to my strafe dodge) so I hit the tower Until they both showed up to shoo me away. then went to their jungle and farmed until one of the 2 starts solo pushing the lane (because support doesn't like just sitting next to core watching him last hit and will probably go back and join the other 3). Then go pick off that one core and repeat the same routine. Next time more Heroes will come and There's a high chance every one has Tps so now I'm more careful and as soon as I force rotations I go to trees and TP to top and do the same thing again. in the meantime my team could be getting wiped over again or just farming jungle or pushing. doesn't matter because I'm forcing lots of rotations and being a giant nuisance despite my team losing all fights.
                                        Non of that would work If I was just too scared to push until the 2 enemy heroes show up because then I wouldn't know where they are and I couldn't make a move. but forcing stuff means they have to show themselves so you can make more plays. in most of those games my team never buys wards while enemy somehow spends 10k on sentries. they still can't use the vision against me because They have to react to my pushes and show in lane (Against NP I literally sit next to a pushed wave waiting for him to teleport and get Nullified+Silenced to death). Almost no single hero can stop my pushes so they can almost never group up as 5 (or even 4). How can they end the game like that?

                                        of course in top tier mmr The vision war is so annoying No body is showing anything on map unless they really need to, ganks are super efficient and you don't see retarded mexican standoff like in 1ks to give you minutes of free push, and you can never be sure If there's a Grimstroke waiting to counter initiate on you (because the Grim knows You're afraid of him so He hardly ever shows his face on map). but in 1k People probably won't notice you going toward them even if there were wards the entire way.

                                        The thing is this is all really basic stuff to me. Its second nature watching out for tps and knowing where people are but like I said they just dont fucking play like that. The only time its safe to go anywhere in 1k is with wards and enemy heros showing on the map.

                                        MuLLi

                                          Everyone who are here seems to being smurfing 1k :D So 1k seems like 1 to 6k bracket

                                          '96 Neve Campbell

                                            Or it just proves that if you actually have skill you can get out of 1k lmao
                                            there is no doubt in my mind that if I was more skilled I would climb out of 1k but the problem is im in some kind of purgatory where im superior to the riff raff of the bracket but im not good enough to 1v5 consistently.

                                            MuLLi

                                              Considering this topix 1k have 75% smurfs :D

                                              So its similar to 4k

                                              9'Mill

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                                                I am still gaining party mmr and I believe that I have the skillset of a 3/4k player.

                                                By that logic you should be able to 1v1 any 3/4k player and have a chance to win, I am willing to do BO3 with you.
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                                                however this wasnt to be. Winning in 1k is far harder than 3k. Ive read all of the posts on how to gain mmr and how to escape the trench of 1-2k but nothing works. I spam heros that win mid and dominate the mid game however I find increasingly that solo mmr is a 1v9 where my team play like how you would expect of 1ks with little understanding of space, the map and farming patterns. 

                                                1.If your claim was true then booster would have a harder time in this bracket
                                                2.you can always first pick a mid/carry hero that does not need much space and still win.
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                                                I know I am not a 1k player because I dominate and control the pace of my 3-4k party games and yet in the week that ive been trying to grind solo mmr I have made it from 950 to 1100 mmr and got stuck. 

                                                PARTY MMR  ≠  SOLO MMR. I remember when I was 500 mmr player gave up on solo ranked and played unraked, party mmr someone picked fucking CM mid and won the game by himself, he was our highest guy he was around 4.3k~ and thier mid was somewhere around 2k something.
                                                I'm willing to teach you basic mechanics how winning your lane can win you the game. I do believe that you can win a game of dota 1v5 up to 5k. and don't ask why I'm not there yer. I'm on my way there but I don't have the skillset of a 5k played but I'm trying hard to IMPROVE and learn from my mistakes.

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                                                Kevdog

                                                  there is no doubt in my mind that if I was more skilled I would climb out of 1k but the problem is im in some kind of purgatory where im superior to the riff raff of the bracket but im not good enough to 1v5 consistently.

                                                  If you really want, I can give you my smurf account to play a few games on @3.5k solo, and see if you can survive there.

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                                                  MuLLi

                                                    1 to 3k is all the same! Same shit just different medal

                                                    ROYQT

                                                      I'm so done with this fucking nonsense! If you have fucking 3k MMR Skill how can you not dominate 1k MMR by urself. All ur nonsense replies leads to u relying on your team. Almost always you must be the one dominating in a game. You can't blame if your team sucks cause in reality you, your team and the enemy team has the same fucking MMR. You must learn to not rely on ur team if u really think that you are 2K MMR higher than ur teammates. This thread don't make sense at all.

                                                      Learn to 1v9 or accept that you are in ur MMR/Bracket for a reason. Blaming others won't make you better and prove anything good.

                                                      Good players blame theirselves for what they did wrong and learn in what they can do better.

                                                      Cause in reality any 3.5K player can beat the shit out of 1k.

                                                      And btw ur using (PARTY MMR) as a basis of ur skill which is the most autistic nonsense shit I've heard.

                                                      Cause if you really can't carry urself out of 1k, u don't deserve to be Legend TBH. Cause u r just carried by ur team mates. I aslo have a friend that is ancient 2 currently but I know that he does'nt deserve it cause I am the one who carried him from Legend 4 to Ancient 2.

                                                      Same as you, he can't win 2K games despite having Ancient medal. Hope u understand.
                                                      And I'm done with this shit. Byee

                                                      MuLLi

                                                        LoL!!! This carrying thing is just BS! If u believe mmr works none can carry anyone anywhere because MM will consider mmr of all players and match em with similar skills! Party is all about combo play and so its the real dota

                                                        '96 Neve Campbell

                                                          And I'm done with this shit. Byee
                                                          you wont be missed

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                                                            you wont be missed

                                                            i will miss him. you on the other hand could fuck off already dumb bitch

                                                            Vandal

                                                              @parmaviolets
                                                              Yes the theory sounds like basic but It's not easy to perform. Every dota player (even sub 500) knows that after killing enemies they should take objectives but each do it differently.

                                                              MuLLi

                                                                @parmaviolets
                                                                in 1k bracket people chase kills more than in any bracket so keep on moving and they lose TIME and u eventually win game. U just need to know that they act like idiots and run to nearest enemy almost all the time so if u are probaply nearest and all is missing they are coming after u and just simple TP out would make them lose TIME and your team eventually to win

                                                                Kevdog

                                                                  Are you not going to take on my offer to play in 3.5k? It's where you belong I thought?

                                                                  MuLLi

                                                                    How that would help him? Ofc he would make near 50% win rate and learn nothing?!?

                                                                    '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                      Are you not going to take on my offer to play in 3.5k? It's where you belong I thought?
                                                                      im trying to see if i can get my smurf there naturally. im already in the high skill bracket so it might well calibrate 2.5-3k

                                                                      play for fun

                                                                        you are not in high skill bracket so stop lying u trash

                                                                        Suck my tiny curry dick

                                                                          Just ignore this retard bitch. She’s too stupid to realize that there are more shitty players like her than smurfs in 1k. If she was somewhat decent, she would easily climb out and get to her 3-4K.

                                                                          MuLLi

                                                                            She is 3,5k player in team which is only relevant in dota! Solo is not relevant in any way dota is 5vs5 game not any solo wanker game

                                                                            Kevdog

                                                                              MulliPullervo can you please stop posting in this thread, nobody cares about ur horrible archon 3 opinions

                                                                              MuLLi

                                                                                ^ Toxic Troll

                                                                                play for fun

                                                                                  i actually came up with the perfect analogy, listen up
                                                                                  imagine there is a girl named stacy. stacy never had good grades in physics, barely passing it in highschool. sometime after graduation however, she stumbles upon rick&morty show and it ignites passion for physics in her. she then proceeds to read few wikipedia articles, does some addition exercises for elementary schoolers and deems herself ready to tackle college entrance exam for an average college. to her surprise however it turns out she didn't pass, earning barely 10 points out of 100. stacy isn't quick to give up however. she obtains few exam sheets from previous years, calls her friends over and together they manage to solve sheets and get 35/100 points. stacy then proceeds to write on a large forum dedicated to physics, about how she's clearly gifted and should be admissioned into the college. on the forum however both exprienced physicists and amateur hobbyists alike agree that the girl is retarded and offer various explanations on why she can't pass the entrance examination and some even offer help. the girl however is stubborn. SHE doesn't know anything? SHE READ WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES SHE'S MORE THAN EDUCATED IN THE FIELD. she doesn't realize she is just stupid and doesn't know shit. isn't that sad? guess she would do better getting dicked by chad don't you agree?

                                                                                  play for fun

                                                                                    see, the analogy is so accurate you cannot even refute it, instead resorting to ad hominem lmao

                                                                                    Suck my tiny curry dick

                                                                                      Team ain’t relevant in Dota unless we talkin Competitive or at least higher mmr games.
                                                                                      Mulli kys

                                                                                      '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                        see, the analogy is so accurate you cannot even refute it, instead resorting to ad hominem lmao
                                                                                        but the analogy is not accurate. how can it be? A physics paper is a solo enterprise meaning that if you get 10/100 on a physics paper ur obviously not gifted. imagine instead a situation where for some reason your entire class has to get an excellent grade in physics to pass. You get like 70/100 but you are let down by your classmates who get 10/100 so you have to repeat the paper. That is comparable to the solo ranked experience where even if u punch above ur weight ur still held back by riff raff.

                                                                                        It is obvious that climbing would be easier if I was a fucking pro player or some 95% win rate meepo spammer thats besides the point. I am a average dota player and that simply isnt enough to escape the trench of shitters that i find myself in. Having said that though I am still making gains so maybe ill stop talking about it in a few weeks.

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                                                                                          nonono its quite different u see. it's like 2 classes, class A and class B. both classes are for retarded people. now let's say u belong in class A. you say you are not retarded and that u are clearly above the rest of retards. so to pass u need to have higher average than retard class B. but every day u find excuses, brian the class A retard number 3 did this, owen retard number 1 did that, i wasn't feeling well that day, i didnt eat breakfast blah blah blah and u end up doing even worse than other retards. now listen dear. if you can't outdo 5 retards on your own then you are not average. you are as retarded as them but fail to see it. so stop making shit up and stop being retarded and fuck off.

                                                                                          SASA POPOVIC

                                                                                            hahahhahaha OP you are so full of shit its actualy funny, you know you are lucky that i have younger brother who is just like you, he asked me for a favour today, he suffers from Dunning Kruger syndrom just as you, only difference is he is stuck in a Crusader bracket, so i told him to make a fresh account and he asked me not to play heroes he doesnt play especialy not Meepo so it doesnt look suspicous(ROFL like anyone cares) So i started calibrating today played 5 games and its just impossible to lose in this dogshit bracket, so you are just bad at the game, if my brother discovers that he too actually sucks at dota im gonna gift you this account so you can enjoy being at 3k, thats my gift to you! I need 5 more games

                                                                                            https://sr.dotabuff.com/players/849944496

                                                                                            '96 Neve Campbell

                                                                                              ^except your brother is so dogshit that those are UNRANKED games in the crusader bracket

                                                                                              SASA POPOVIC

                                                                                                He thinks he is a dota god that is at least 3k just like you so illl give him legend 2 when im done, i think thats max

                                                                                                eXcel

                                                                                                  My offer still stands if you add me I’ll watch some games and coach you for free