General DiscussionWhat's the most common pub player mistake?

That Shadow Blade SF is always better than Blink Dagger SF. Frustrates me so much.

The hero lineup.

Its the most commonly made and most critical mistake.

insta picking sf/pudge/ or other shit hero that is countered in 99ways
my personal favourite is insta pick am while none else pick yet

single pull

That because they are carries they can't participate in early fights.

since when sf become shit hero?

Picks and Laning Phase

Picks. Enemy first picked am! Better pick invoker, lina, lich to counter him! /eyeroll

SF isnt a shit hero, the people who play it are.

Bounty Hunter and Slardar in the other team, the SF in my team goes for shadow blade.

Nuff said.

Oh yeah, and how people blame others for their own mistake. I think thats the most common PUB player mistake.

since russians and ignorant homoes start to pick him
i cant even count amount of games some retard picks sf after enemy team has global presence and roaming shit like sb etc
last time some guy told me to not worry when enemy has spirit breaker invoker nps and other shit allready picked
ofc he died first time at 2min due to np+sb and cold snap and had 5 deaths around 10mins in

don`t worry my sf is good

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most people that pick sf/pudge/invoker pick them for fun after watching yaphets or dendi videos on youtube

definitely the picks

after last post I got into game with insta pick sf on my side russian blbl on enemy team insta pick pudge
exciting game incoming

my russian typical rus most played invoker/sf/pudge his profile http://dotabuff.com/players/47970638
there is also sb, np typical rus squad game on eu west

Hey, theres an edit button for a reason, bro.

I dont mind russians, chinese pub players are the worst. ( No racism intended )

Russians learn english at an earlier age than Chinese people, and they tend to actually understand the basics of the basics. When I play with chinese people, all I hear is just "Ben Dan" or "Yu Chun" which I dont even know what they mean. Worst of all, some of them dont even have the skill to back it up, which evidently potrays how bad their attitudes are.

Common mistakes of supports.

Not buying sentries as safe lane support.
Pulling versus darkseer timber and batrider causing an entire creep wave to come under tower.
Standing at the wrong side of the creeps.
Not making sure they are doing something productive, not pulling, not harassing, not ganking, just sitting leeching exp.
Manfighting the offlaner way out of exp range when the carry player has no chance of getting there.

Common mistakes of offlaners

Overplay and die once
Overplay and die twice
Overplay and die three times
Overplay and die four times
Overplay and die five times

Common mistakes of carries

For a majority of the game the carry role is the easiest role to play, most of the time you are dual or trilane vs a solo hero - making the most out of this fact.
Horrible map awareness, if your support gives you a lane ward you shouldn't die, or at least not to tp ganks.
Bad item choices. (no bkb mostly)
Not coming to fights when they should.
Coming to fights when they shouldn't, I got 13 minute battlefury treads on antimage guys, is it time to slay them now!?

Common mistakes of junglers

Picking Lone druid to jungle
Picking natures prophet to jungle
Picking Axe and not ganking, but also not getting lvl 6 by 5 minutes (depending on creep spawns sometimes you can't get lvl 6 by 5 minutes, but thats why axe is shit).
Picking chen/enchantress and constantly ganking/wasting time instead of getting your farm and items up.
Picking a jungler to avoid playing support, ensuring all of your lanes will lose.

^^ i dont care about rus language thing that piss me off is how they play and pick every game i understand retarded random due to lack of luck but picking like retard in very high shuld be reportable 53-17 in 25minutes such an amaizing game

Counter picking pubs.

5 carry team

Too Pro Pudges

in the end allowing russians in match maker with human beings is biggest mistake

instapick pudge for mid
this is the most annoying one for sure

People last-picking Lina and then calling mid (while we have an Invoker on our team) and laughing whenever we say that Lina needs to play as support.

having no buyback on a 60+ minute game when he is the main core

this happens too often

5 carries

"Picking chen/enchantress and constantly ganking/wasting time instead of getting your farm and items up."

Yeah sure. Usually they farm so much that we already lost the safe lane and they didnt gank even once.

bad positioning for sure or no buyback in altegame

Pudge first pick mid with bottle at start

Any hero pick mid with bottle at start.

No tp scrolls

Not buying detection for invis heroes.

Not carrying tp, not buying detection for slark, wierd item builds, too much feed cuz weed, too much pudge, getting caught out in the enemy side from the map 60 min into the game, ur the only farmed hero on their team, and ur team let you go first everytime ( so enemies can easily focus you).
DAMN, I NEVER THOUGH there were so much common mistakes.

I posted this in another thread but it can still go here:

1. Picking

Picking bad heros will mostly lead to a loss. If you go Broodmother against Sandking, no matter how much better you think you are, you will lose your lane. Picking more than 1 Hardcarry will be rough against a team, that picks only 1 or no hardcarry. You can easily win without a hardcarry, replacing him with a semicarry (bara/bloodseeker). Suddenly there is a metagame. The carries to play are Lancer/Naix/Alche not Morphling/Troll/Lycan. This must not be 100% true for you. Maybe you are better with a Morph than with a Lancer. But on equal skill the lancer beats the morph, if both have a decent team. Same goes for support. Veno is out of the current meta, treant is a high win hero. So pick wise, if you want to win. The easiest mistakes to avoid are the picking msitakes.

Sometimes your team just needs that supporthero, so don t be selfish and go for it. Otherwise you might end up sitting 35 min in buttrape game, cause you picked the 2. hardcarry you wanted to play.

Accept the fact, that you are not good with certain heros. Some heros just need a little practice with bots. Invoker for example. It would never cross my mind to start learning invoker in a real time game. I cannot play him and will 100% fail and ruin the game for 4 innocent other players. If you have 25% winratio on invoker in 30 games, you should analyse your mistakes and maybe train invoking with bots. Dota is a teamgame and there is no I in team.

The next thing is:

DO NOT RANDOM. Random is good for new players to see alot of different heros. But random for more advanced players leads often into crappy teams. If you are one of the first 2 guys to select a hero, you may random. But after 2 heros picked on your team (most certain the carry and the midllaner/offlaner), do not random. The 175 Gold does not outweigh a Void/Mortred lane. Randoming won't lead you to learn more heros fast.

Learning works by time. To learn a hero, you need to play him often. At least over 3-5 days 5-10 times. Your brain has two ways to think: Thinking fast and slow. Lasthitting for example is for most advanced players easy with most heros. They do not have to think about the timing etc. Their brain has learned the timing and they can do it without overthinking it. They have space for more other stuff, like plaing an attack.

Learning invoker wont work this way. Grimorum can play invoker without thinking too much. If he needs cold snap he can invoke it in 0.5 sekl without thinking about the combination. So if you want to get better, stick to your heros for several games in a row.

I for example do my own "challanges". I take the hero in my toplist that i am below 50% winratio with. And then i start playing him as long as i need to get 50% winratio. For Cm i took me 62 games. For Tiny 130. But now i am pretty safe with tiny.

For this point: Lets face it: You will mostly play support, since every one hates it. For normal bracket i do not recommend support too intensive. Buying wards is pointless if nobody checks the minimap. To skip the normal bracket fast just go bloodseeker, take mid, stomp 3 games, and there you go.

2. Laning

The next horrible mistake is wrong laning. It just goes by with picking. One of my last game i wanted to play Jugger/CM with a mate on the safelane. We communicated this at the start. Anyways we had a russian fag on team who wrote 1 min after that: "SPECTRA FARMLANE". We told him: "Forget it." Safelane is taken. Do not go spectre. Specte offlane is a big time fail. He went spectre offlane, and died 1 min later. What is the point on behaving like this? The only chance you can win a game like this, is a bigger failbob on the enemy team.

So lane proper and adapt your picks to laning. If your team needs an offlaner, go offlane. If your team needs support, go support. That does not mean, that you can't play a hero often in row. This hero maybe will not be sniper or pudge. Cause those heros are considerd "useless". They are maybe fun to play, but they offer not enough in the current meta. You can pick 20 times in a row furion. He can go offlane or jungle. If you pick him first you ofc force your team to adapt. If you stack they will. If you don't good luck bro.

Same goes for Lion. You can pick 20 times in a row Lion/Visage/Venge and support your time. You cannot pick 20 times in a row Invoker, cause the midlane is often claimed and invoker is situational.

4. Know your role

If you pick a certain hero, ppl will expect you to play him like he is supposed to. You can go CM, but if you start competing with your carry for lasthits, he will get mad. You are not supposed to lasthit, so don't do it. Buy wards, dust, smoke sentries. You can play a perfect CM with a 0-7-15 score, boots and some bracers at the end. KDA is not what matters. Playing support is like the number 6 on the footballfield. You do not score the goals, but if there is no number 6 the team will lose.

Every hero has strong game phases. A CM is strong the first 10 min of the game. She has a slow and a stun. So use her strength! Go roam! Same for venge/es/rubick. Too often you see a batrider or venge hugging their lane. Use your early game advantage. Same goes for carries, that try to gank with 0 items on them. Antimage with ring of health is still a creep with more armor. So farm your battlefury and mantastyle, before you try soloing full mana and hp heros.

AGAIN:

DO NOT SUPPORT IN NORMAL GAMES. IF NOBODY CHECKS THE MINIMAP WARDS ARE JUST A WASTE OF GOLD. ESCAPE NORMAL BRACKET BY STOMPING.

5. Itemchoices

This is the next big root of fails. http://dotabuff.com/matches/299500575

Take this axe for example (very high)

He goes into his jungle, farms a midas, does waste his early game potential completly by beeing absent, goes into shadow blade and heart (wich is supreme retarded against naix, since feast is percentage based).

He just completly wasted his hero, by playing him wrong. Wasting early and making bad item choices.

If you go ahead 4-0 with Bountyhunter a dagon can be fun. But the dagon won t help you killing the enemy void, that you never got your hands on. In the lategamefights you will regret your dagon. It won't help you killing too much, if the enemy has a pipe. Sure a CM with Mom is fun. But a meka/pipe will help you more. Built what your team needs.

6. Decisionmaking

Your team wins a big fight, the enemy carry survives and everyone goes farming? You do it wrong. Take a tower or rosh. A teamfight will only buy you time, but if the enemy lancer still lives and gets his farm, he will overwhelm you. DO not overextend. Sure your bara might be a big fish min 15-25. But beyond this point the hard guys start kicking in and will propably wipe the floor with you. Mistakes here will always happen. But there are some BIG ONES THAT YOU CAN EASILY AVOID:

a) Winning fight and doing nothing with that advantage (rosh/tower)

b) Not deffing towers

c) Chasing too long

d) Not finishing while ahead

If you kill always 4 of the enemy heros, but let the game drag on 40 min, the enemy lancer will rape you. Finish, when you have the possibilty.

e) Not noting roshtimer

f) Stealing kills from heros that are higher priorised for gold/xp

g) Not buying a gem/sentries early against invifags

h) Not carrying a TP all the time

i) Not having buyback gold in lategame

j) Not adapting to reality

Sure, you can start a teamfight, if your puck goes in with blink, silence, ultimate. But if your puck is a failbob and showed off a poor performance the entire game, DO NOT RELY ON HIM. Take your allies as they are, not as you want them to be. If you have a slowpoke fag ally, that will not dive to get the kill, do not dive solo. You will just die and the enemy will get a kill. Sure you can blame your faggot ally for this. But it won't change the facts.

k)Flamewars

I love flaming but i know, that it costs me some games.

Don't know how to play or don't want play as supporter ==> the shit hit fan

9vs1: good post

random in all pick -> who wants this hero, i cant play it

9v1 is the new Relentless

its no teamwork. rest can be forgiven. if 5 carries backup each other with tps,wards buy by turns and good team work. they can beat a balanced team

shit, no one want play as support, they just think support is slave for carry

^ i play as a support.. the pub player bad at picking hero and too greedy

Not telling others when 'Missing on Lane'

Not having map awareness resulting in you needing a Missing on lane call.

Randoming when they dont know how all heroes work

Outside the lack of tp scroll: idiotic, brainkilling item- and skillbuilds, for ex. boots and tango as starting items.

And i laugh at those who say "dont pick supports". Someone has to buy courier and wards from the get go. If you dont buy it, noone will. A few days ago i really wanted to play sth other than support. An opportunity appeared, some guys picked silencer and bane. I picked tiny. Noone bought the courier. Noone bought anything. When lone druid had the cash, he bought the courier, later on i upgraded it. Throughout the game i was the only one warding. I was lucky, that at least ld was reasonable. But you wont get lucky too often.

yeah, nightmare when you play with support-want-carry

since the new patch ive lost 22/28 games! and it just wont stop... common mistakes these scrubs make: dont gank, let the carry in a 1v1 or 1v2 IN SAFELANE, suiciding at enemy tier 1 or tier2 towers, whining all game when the enemy team moves as 4 and they go 1v4. farming like shit, supports not upgr chick min 2/3, overly buying wards when some assistance is required instead ->WARDS ARE FUCKING USELESS IF YOU ARE ALWAYS 3V5, 4V5 get A FUCKING TP and move around the map. Offlaners not moving from the lane until minute 20 when the game is already lost, thinking they are the main role/carry. NOT TP'ing to def, even when they do that shit is late by like 5 sec (A LOT). teamfighting like retards, expecing the carry or damage role to GO FIRST WHEN THE OPENER IS CLEARLY SOMEONE ELSE (OFF/SUP/SUPP2). etc

^ create new account i am not even kidding Benao.muted is just anchored in retarded rating for life
if you have very good first few games u will play top pages from that point just scan your teammates if u see hidden profiles etc abandon right away

pubs who rage too early on because of team mates getting killed in first blood.

or wait for strife closed beta it should be out there in month or two O;

Picking retarded shit against his/her counters.

I'd say the #1 problem for really inexperienced players (e.g. not "very high" rating) is not farming enough. It takes time to know when leaving your farm helps your team or whether you'll just be standing there do nothing - even whether doing something right would benefit you more than getting all the last hits. As a general rule if you're new, just ignore your team and farm up as much as you can. Fuck it.

me throwing a game twice as invoker by forgetting i have buyback then dying buying back and tping into 5 of them and dying again

i was against a bad team too im so fucking bad

picking pudge