General DiscussionYou serious?

Lich was already strong before. But the new Sacrifice really helps to get your levels up.

didnt really change him?
i suggest reading the changelog before hitting that post button.

The thing is, although it doesn't deny exp anymore, it still does. They won't fucking get exp from those creeps if you deny them near your TI3 or at least away from them.

solo mid, a good lich hits 6 when you hit 3.5. Gl with that

Besides that, they nerfed the two biggest winners before this, Warlock and SB. Someone had to take over the top spot.

Well Warlock wasn't even nerfed. It was kind of balanced changes between nerfs and buffs.

Lich changes in the last few months include:

Chain frost up from 7 to 10 bounces. that's an extra 1500ish damage ON TOP of a shit load.
Gain xp for sacrifice...HUGE change!
Frost armour now procs on a ranged attack...HUGE change. Escape for you and your allies.

A strong hero get's mighty stronger.

Yep that frost armor change is fairly annoying if u have Lich as opponent

Warlock's decreace in winrate shows how much pubbies suffer with positioning and mana management, considering his changes.

Now, let's forget about Lich. Did DP's increase in her spirits' damage was really all she needed to take second place in highest winrates? What exactly helped her besides that?

She already was disgustingly strong, I don't think I ever lost mid with her.

I used to bottle from the go and spam nuke, push the waves to hell, my farm wouldn't be great but neither would the opponent and if the wave was pushed it was easier for me to control runes, and hence, spam nuke even more, once you hit level 6 you could melt a wave then push the tier 1 mid so quickly, I used to normally have that tower down in about 5-6 minutes, and ganks with an invis/haste rune with her ulti were normally pretty lethal in the laning phase. I think my win rate with her sits just below 80% and I haven't played with her yet since the patch, where she's slightly buffed.

EDIT - indeed, my wr is 72% with her and I used to normally solo queue in the very high bracket, so none of this 'it's easy against noob' talk, although it was of course easier against unorganised opponents (solo queuing)

Death Prophet
25 (games)
72.00% (win %)
4.28 (kda)

lich and dp both was rather good already before the patch in my opinion ... i dont know why dp has such a high winrate now maybe she kills the hero so fast that positioning is less important than before ^^.. lich only got insane buffs i think frost armor on ranged is what makes the big difference

i am not surprised by lich and dp winrate because players outside of top pages and tryhard stacks always have terrible positioning / reaction to strong aoe ultis + less and less people care about winning thanks to casualization of game
so things will only get worse in pub mm

I think we're overreacting a bit. I think basically X hero was buffed and Y hero was nerfed or at least not buffed and a lot of players noticed and good ones switched. The buffs aren't large enough on their own to bump win rates that much. I think good players noticed, hey lich's sac will give me xp before we get in lane. Bad players probably aren't using it there. Good players probably already had good win rates on these heroes and now just play them more.

Lich already had a good winrate and now he got significantly buffed, what's not to understand?

Since creeps goes faster on offlane it's moar easy do control lane for f@ck enemy carrys.

haha. I asked the same question here last week.

You should try it. Its super fun. Now lich can carry.

You start as a support, and pretend to be a support and buy wards and mek.
then you start to steal kills from teammates
and all of sudden you became BEYOND GOD LIKE :D

http://dotabuff.com/matches/359088605
http://dotabuff.com/matches/363692842
http://dotabuff.com/matches/367716307

I lost my carry lich game couse my team went for megacreeps so enemy ancient was still on 10% hp when we lost -.-' but it was really easy to kill anything with him till late game :D for me lich was always a booooring hero now i love him