General DiscussionLATE GAME MORPHLING

Phantom Lancer's better

^How the fuck is PL better at shutting down Morphling than DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

PL needs massive farm, Doom is online starting from level 6

PL needs to freely attack Morphling to burn his mana and kill him, except Morphling is highly agile with Wave Form and Replicate

Doom is just 1 or 2 buttons (if you Lvl? Death first), and thats it. Morphling is just a floating water thing that cannot escape imminent death

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if morph gets linkens + bkb he can avoid getting doomed

if not he can simply build stats items and have enough hp to live through 15 s of silence

most good morphs will just farm and keep a replicate near his teammates so he can jump into the fray, there's no need for him to be in danger of being doomed

the OP asked for counter to LATE GAME, not early game (in which case doom is great if the morph has bad reflexes)

on the other hand, morphling absolutely cannot do anything to a PL late game (same with antimage actually, the 2 carries morph arguably hates the most). doom is anywhere from annoying to a moderate threat but not a "lol i can't do anything" case

aa wrecks morph pretty hard as well throughout the game, a bkb is almost mandatory if aa gets aghs up

Morph van still ga in health while bunder the effect of AA ult since it isnt regen. I would say silencer with scepter refresher is pretty strong tot stop morph

pl, ofc, morph cann't do anything against him, and as long as you use diffu on the replicate ( and latter buy hex for the 6th item, to hex the clone of you he has to do) then it's pretty auto win.

There's no such agility in wave form / replicate, when you are the back to your base, and thus cann't go back anymore, and it's morphling who gonna outpush pl illusion.

Edit: Tb is also very strong to morphling, between out pushing, and 1v1 him

And am late game lose to morph, cause mkb with morph attack speak can cancel most of anti mage attack animation.

It's mid game that morph hate to face am

matrice i've been wanting to ask you - is there a viable way to play spectre? cuz his laning is absolute shit and most of the time i see 5500+ players rushing radiance or else he falls off pretty quickly. i almost never see spectre in 5k+ mmr games but i like playing her cuz all u do is farm safely and click r to join teamfights (don't need to follow teammates around)

edit: damn look at all those 1v1 games u won lol

Personnaly, i don't play spectre as a afk farm carry, even thought my build is much better late game than the radiance's one.

Fast diffu, and gang everytime ult is ready. Spectre is my 3rd favorite hero, but sadly, i cann't play it anymore, as usually i've so weak teammate, that they cann't even zone out an offlaner...

And when they know how to do it, well, usually the game is already won.

The thing about spectre, is: if the game goes passiv (so an opponent can farm on your lane aswell) you gonna lose, cause you cann't farm properly, and have no way to flash farm; if there's movement everywhere, then you will win, cause you are the most mobile carry.

About radiance, why is it "shit" ? Simply cause diffusal gives you nearly as much damage as radiance on your ultimate (actually much more if maxxed desolate and enemy splitted) AND burn mana AND cost much less.

The only reason to radiance, is to skyrocket farm, which then end into a very late game, if nothing went too wrong; but is spectre the best one in late ? definitly not if you achieve to split people. Even worst, if the games goes really very very late, when everybody get's tons of stuff, you start to become weaker and weaker; (not to mention that it is hard to put a 2nd carry when you have spectre in team)

Linkens sphere bkb silence blademail euls mana burn. If you dont have a someone that can outcarry morph don't let morph farm and get to late game.

"i've so weak teammate, that they cann't even zone out an offlaner..."

lol this is so true, every time i play safelane carry i expect garbage supports who don't really contribute much.

I do think u have good points regarding radiance vs diffusal - my only counterpoint is that in pubs, it's usually safer to farm (and hence radiance is a worthy alternative). Why? Because even if u haunt at correct time and try to go on someone, ur trash team might not follow up with stuns/slows and then u end up dying.

I'd say in an "ideal environment" you described, diffusal is much better for more dps/more kills; but in pubs u never know the quality of teammates so radiance is always a viable alternative if u need to get 6 slotted more quickly.

I have lost many battles due to fatty Morphling.
If you can predict how it will end, so why dont you do something to prevent it?

Im a mid user.
So if I see some opponets hero(PL,Morph,PA,Void,Broodmother,..etc) who has big potencial to be troublesome for whole team in later game, I usually gang and I asked teammates help to gang.
If you success then you win, if not then you lose.

Isnt that whats dota about?Prevent enemy`s carry from farming, keep annoying him.Give your carry time to farm,overfarm opponets carry.

Thats all I can say as mid user =)
But you know,pub games with random users, is sink or swim when you are ganging but better doing nothing to get something :P