General Discussionmatrice

sy is more important, but getting both is core imo

ms (so you can hide faster behinds tree)
more dps

at the cost of
a bit of tanking
confort zone for mana

i think shadowblade followed by drums or straight into skadi and bkb is better then s&y

6.7k MMR Slark main guy's advice or a random normal-high skill guy's advice... Hmm, HARD TO CHOOSE MAN!

ayyyyy

and dagger is way better than shadowblade, unless you are facing morrons
(only ~6500 though, will try to fix that ^^)

because mmr means how much you know about dota.

yeah, it kind of does. you don't win against the top 99th percentile of players if you know fuck all about the game.

It does. It doesn't necessarily show your skill level but it definitely shows how much you know about the game.

mmr is correlated to wins

wins are correlated to knowledge of game mechanics among other things.

better game mechanics, knowledge, et cetera -> more wins -> more mmr

if you play on shitty comp allways with friends always troll, and dont care about game, you can still know entire game and not have high mmr. so i dont agree

so are you saying that you can know nothing about the game and have 6.5k?

i didnt say that, you might not know some stuff, but know 99% of it, other wise why post question up here?

high mmr players definitely have knowledge

but low mmr players don't necessarily have no knowledge. most of the time they don't though.

i never won the 100m sprint but i have watched several hours of it on the Olympics,

I must be an expert on how to sprint 100m

its more like, ive never won the 100m sprint but i know why X won it

@i love u butt
more like i never won the soccer but i have watched several hours of it

I must know the fucking rules, and how to play it, might not be as good as other guy but know some things he dsnt and he knows things that i dont so lets try to teach each other and not just take and not give but flame like asshole.

well to be fair mmr only shows how good a pubber u are, dota and pub are two different games, thats why im done soloq'ing

but yeah im doing sy now and it feels greater, also i get it faster than skadi > faster snowball>win

just like coach, he is noob at dota comparing to pros, but he sees the mistakes they do and knows things about it. dota is not some checkers there is shit load of things you can know about it and there is always something new, plus patches comeout buffs nerfs, things change. Cant know everything, i came here nicely but got fu back.

i mean.. i know everything but there are ppl who are clueless even in 6k+

are you implying that you know as much as matrice does?

idk if someone can do everything, there is just too many stuff, but you prob do know all the most important stuff and mechenics.
I think someone who knows everything and was trying the best would have 100% winrate. even when he has bad team.

"6.7k MMR Slark main guy's advice or a random normal-high skill guy's advice... Hmm, HARD TO CHOOSE MAN!"
- Sam Fuckin' Peckinpah

haha This is funny.

But to be fair, knowledge and game mechanics are different.
Some players do have the knowledge. However, lack of the capability to play.

YNIT you didnt come nicely, you attacked him with 'because mmr means how much you know about dota', after giving directly opposing advice without justifying your reasons. what other than a fuck you do you deserve?

I don't think you can really argue with either because matrice is saying blink is better vs his high level competition and that is assuredly true, but ynit is saying vs his lower level competition shadow blade is great, and that's probably also true. Shadow blade is maybe better but also easy to counter if you choose to do so. Matrice even said unless you play against idiots.

Everything in dota is situational, although I love s&y on slark and think the higher mmr player build is better overall. Shadow blade is gimmicy and only takes one good support to screw up.

Wow, i've never seen more nonsense than that shit.

that was after i attacked, read entire chat plz, dont be lazy

unedited cut of a two-line comment: "after giving directly opposing advice without justifying your reasons"

"read entire chat plz, dont be lazy"

Sam Fuckin' Peckinpah
my reply was to this guy, right after i nicely said a build i thought was good, you rlly need to open your eyes and read.

have you ever heard of a sinking ship and how, sometimes, you should just get off it?

I have a question for Matrice.

Does jungle Terrorblade work if your supports pull you two tangoes? Qp+2Circlet starting item.

You can still jungle terrorblade, you don't need regen from supports, you just need to use chokepoints.

-> twitch.tv/a100kpm check it out for the chokepoints and jungling.

im on it, its you and anyone who read my comments and reply to me will see why,
me:(i think shadowblade followed by drums or straight into skadi and bkb is better then s&y)
not me:(6.7k MMR Slark main guy's advice or a random normal-high skill guy's advice... Hmm, HARD TO CHOOSE MAN!)
nice
not nice

ban INIT thx

ban me? rlly? coming from you? http://www.dotabuff.com/topics/2014-10-13-15-fucking-lp-games
i think there is like 20 comments saying to do that to you, also ur steam comments lmao

Lmfao, is YNIT the dota legendz? Senpai-sama pls notice me. I am look master teach doto.

i repeat, BAN INIT THX

can u all stop spelling your life now? i got my answer.

Sorry Sam but isn't matrice like 6.5k :PP

Matrice, when you go Dagger you get it as first item? Or after Drums / SNY?

Also do you start SNY by Yasha of Sange? I imagine it's by Yasha but who knows...

He already said that himself as well but who cares that's not the point.

i can agree ynit is pretty annoying but pls no flamerino

Dagger first pretty much suck, unless you are middle (and no1 else can engage), but anyway i'm more experienced as carry, and safe lane slark.

yasha before sange (even though you can buy a belt before finishing yasha) -usually i buy both +6 agi and streng then make yasha-
no drums.

Usually i don't even get dagger before i completed 2 items. When you are strong enough to take anyone in 1v1, even if they insta tp, but that you cann't reach them cause they have their own dagger/escape mechanism so you never are able to pounce them).

oh, and dagger is not needed at all in first place (unless some rare case)

Thanks for the advice bro. Also, I see you make Midas sometimes, what are your thoughts on this item? It makes you get bigger but it also delays a bit your impact.

Midas is really bad on slark now (well it has never been excellent, but with comeback mechanism, even if really nerfed right now, a dead item is still a dead item) the number of case in which it is actually worth it are pretty minor. I actually think it was mistake in my last slark game

ty =]

cmon be nice to YNIT, he is new here,
a bit less clever,
but he will learn I hope

when is it a game for shadowblade + drum

@matrice:
what about blink first if you can't rely on teammates at all for initiation (99% of my games). I'm fucking awful at slark so i don't play him much, but just wondering. I saw a game of starladder where slark went blink skadi, and another with drum linkens. Obviously the linkens was just for fiends/doom, but was there a reason for blink skadi (you seemed to think its not good)?

the only reason to buy blink first, is to full gank, or if you have no initiation tool apart from slark in your team (a bit sad for a cm draft isn't it?)

The full ganking slark can works in "pro" game, as they have sooo much trouble playing accordingly to some heroes, and are way to slow to react to "new" things. If we see slark dagger first for the next 6 month constantly, then mb they'll learn how to play against it, and it will eventually become trash.

However it's not optimal at all

(shadowblade suck, dagger > shadowblade)

I think shadowblade is more noob friendly, the heal is great and doesn't care about dust counters. Dagger is however the meta.