General DiscussionStrange Juggernaut build, level Blade Dance over Blade Fury?

They're building as a right click carry
It can be a viable build, but I prefer stats.

EDIT: if you meant maxing blade dance, I don't suggest it

you never need more than one point in spin

stats>spin

unless you're going support jug....

lol, or you skill q and play early gamer jugger, play aggressive and kill those failure makin tards...
i prefer rushing aghanims, but sometimes i play against decent enemy's and wished i had gone for auto attack.

People are building it so wrong, as a result http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/juggernaut/trends win rate is going down for him. Jugg is extremely strong early game, but he's not really comparable to other hard carries late game. I have been experimenting new builds and I know maxing crit/stats is totally wrong.

The traditional way is your way to go. Lane with a strong slower/disable and max blade fury so that you have huge advantage early game and snow ball mid game.

ya it is. with the lower bat the differential dps that fury offers is really low so its not worth maxing most of the time unless the enemy team consists of too much control + summons that you are not confident of having the opportunity to right click/omni

@awakened

half the point of the 1/1/1 stats build is to go jungle and take early rosh....

the build isn't wrong, people just don't play the hero correctly when doing it and try to use spin for damage and shit like that.

and not for nothing, if you only pick meepo and abaddon... maybe you should try it correctly first before knocking it...

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/149052159/matches?date=&faction=&hero=juggernaut&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&duration=

both times you tried it you maxed crit and didn't do any points in stats... your suppose to not go past 1/1/1 until you are ready to rosh, then you can get a second point in ward if you need it. Then you do stats till level 11 and then you can do points in crit/ward at your discretion. Also, your items were wrong. You NEVER get aghs when you are doing stats build. You get SY or MoM or shadowblade or diffusal or basher etc...

I mean you are obviously a better dota player with your mains than me, but what you did with juggernaut was just all wrong.

you dont have to go strictly 1-1-1, 1-2-1 is pretty good as well however the 3/4 ranks of ward depends on how much u need the overheal

yea like i said i usually hold for point 2 until i want to rosh.

I've been playing Blade Dance > Ward > Fury. I only get fury when I need magic immunity, so I get it later (around level 9/10) and I only leave it at level 1. The ward I also usually just leave at level 1. The blade dance I will max as soon as possible (your dps is actually better. I used an excel file to test this). Your goal when you do this is to simply farm and create space for the team while split pushing. Your solo pick off potential is also really good.

In lane, I may go 2-1-2. I like building soul ring as it allows me to stay in lane indefinitely and helps with mana issues that come from not taking stats.

Watch matrice's replays. They're pretty good.

It works trust me. This jug wrecked us.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1181728256

All crit, then stats. Not sure if you really need to max crit but he did. Went mask of madness, maelstrom, manta, skadi. We could not fucking kill him and with those stats his illusions hit like a truck.

the dps vs crit and stats early is barely noticeable, but you get tons of extra EHP from stats.

Maybe he was lucky with crits, but your team probably didn't punish him.

+1 to Awakened.

"but he's not really comparable to other hard carries late game."
"I have been experimenting new builds and I know maxing crit/stats is totally wrong."

The most kek I have ever read in a single post. Jugger, Brew, and troll are currently top ban material.

.....but then again this is coming from a 48% winrate 2KDA juggernaut who's played the heroes 3 times in under 3 months and lost all games. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/149052159/matches?date=&faction=&hero=juggernaut&lobby_type=&game_mode=&region=&duration=

"but he's not really comparable to other hard carries late game."

are you kidding me, he is a hard carry and has the lowest passive BAT 1.4. Most guides mention jug as a semi-carry but he really can hard carry now after recent buffs/

wow so strange build

Yet I still get flamed for not maxing bladefury first or at all. People need to get educated on dota.