General Discussionskadi and deso on dusa

It's dumb, medusa needs the slow or people just kite her. You had a bb and omni so not as important as they have good slows. But you usually need that skadi debuf.

Also medusa's split shot only applies modifiers on the main target, but the dmg of each arrow is independant. That means reduction on main target but your split arrows won't hit a reduced target. So deso is kind of wasted in that sense, it's a single target killer and medusa is an aoe tank.

Butterfly would've been awesome, sven and ck really hate to have to build mkb. If you make a sven build an mkb over daedulus then that's good for your team.

3 WORDS .

UNIQUE - ATTACK - MODIFIER ...........

DESO / MAELSTROM / SKADI... ARE ALL UNIQUE ATTACK MODIFIER.... WHICH DO NOT STACK..

FOR EXAMPLE..

YOU CAN'T APPLY ARMOR REDUCTION, AND SKADI SLOW, AND PROC A MAELSTORM CHARGE AT THE SAME TIME..

THE ONE UNIQUE ATTACK MODIFIER THAT'LL APPLY WHEN YOU HIT ENEMY UNITS IS THE ONE IN YOUR EARLIEST SLOT OUT OF UR 6 SLOTS..

WOW... VERY HELPFUL TO READ THE ITEMS BROTHER.

YOU MAY WANT TO TRY IT SOMETIME PERHAPS

u dont get deso mid/late basically its rarely a good item at that point in time

@direwolf normally I'd agree but I only really cared about Sven and ck so kiting wasn't an issue. The "only applies debuff in main target" doesn't really hold either because that is the same as for skadi and deep debuff lasts 15secs. Can totally see butterfly being better though.

yes but if he drops the skadi or whatever he can still have skadi stats and apply deso -armor. Maelstrom when it procs just won't apply the -armor which is fine. The issue though is losing the skadi effect, it's too good to overwrite with deso.

like I said it's not much of an issue on the team you were on with omni degen (essentially aoe skadi effect) and bb. But normally u need that skadi effect.

Otherwise you prob just build linkens over skadi.

@anto learn to read English before posting rants in caps and making yourself look like a dick. Why do you think I mentioned dropping and picking up the deso if I didn't know they were both uams? There isn't a better stats item than skadi for a hero so slot-limited as dusa. I think that outweighes losing the slow in this situation. I don't think deso was the best choice but the lack of stacking uams isn't the reason.

if you have skadi, just get crits next if you want dmg.

A butterfly or divine would have done more than a deso so yeah. Divine wasn't much of a risk since you have a very defensive lineup with good cc.

I would personally made assault cuirass if felt then for armor reduction on dusa.

never buy deso + skadi on dusa
if you want another attack modifier to stack with skadi build maelstrom (to counter ck) or diffusal (to counter sven)
sven can go mkb but he doesnt want to cause hes a slot hungry carry, mkb is so shitty on ck, i think rapier/bfly with linkens were the best options

thanks all (apart from anto) nice to have proper answers to a proper question with no patronizing :)

dude, in the end the only thing that matters is if you won or lost.

Crushed them. But that's to be expected if you pick Sven and ck into dusa :-D

Deso on duza is bad item in any build. 100%.

Also I can't understant manta. Illusion is very weak. You want yasha? You want orb? So why not buy SaY and/or Skadi? Sometimes when you want dispel silence you can buy it but medusa usually don't care about it. You can get butterfly, feets perfecly (agility, as, damage, evasion), it is really hard to rush mkb on weaver, and not very easy to sven, who already bought crystalys.

^you usually just get yasha and upgrade to manta later when u r out of slots; or u do it earlier if u need to push or dodge some shit

^Why not SaY in this way? Useful hp/passive in teamfights, and a bit cheaper.

U can interchange UAM priorities at any given time, by dropping one of the other and picking it back. The UAM you didmt drop will take the higjest priority. Dont laugh at professionals yoloing ember skadi+deso cz its actually legit.

Or not, you shouldnt buy/keep deso late cause its not inventory efficient

I get skadi before yasha so too late to want to use a slot for sny. I'd be selling it in 10mins time...

Manta helped with sieging high ground in this game.

don't get skadi before yasha, are you nuts? Yasha is so good cus it's a farming item, dmg, move speed. To get it after skadi makes no sense. Skadi has piss poor buildup, I wouldn't ever rush it.

And ck + sven vs dusa is not all in medusa favor. Both those heroes are nasty early while medusa takes a bit to come online. It's more about game pacing and if they can force her to fight early or if she can secure farm.

sny doesnt give any int for ur shield while manta does

manta is more useful for a hero like meduse cuz she isnt jugger or slark

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And the mana cost of using manta eats up nearly all of that mana provided by manta int. It's 10 int, that's 130 mana, use costs 125. Meanwhile s&y has 6 more strength which is 114 hp and with shield up 171. Saying buy manta for the int is a fucking joke, it will always come out behind s&y in terms of tankiness.

And manta is a ton more useful on jug, he is melee so illusions hit harder and take less dmg.

The only reason to buy manta on medusa is to dispel or dodge stuff, that's it. It costs more than s&y, has worse stats for medusa, and her illusions don't hit for jack shit with split shot activated.

Who said I rushed skadi? I get maelstrom as a farming item, then skadi to tank up. you could get a yasha instead of maelstrom of course but I prefer maelstrom myself. The Lightning procs help you keep your distance whilst you are still squishy.

Ck is the worst carry vs medusa. his phantasm is almost perfectly countered by medusa.

Sven isn't much better. Any kitable melee Carry is going to lose to medusa.

just keep buying skadi and deso u will be very high skill veryfast

you're thinking late game, what about min 15 when a ck with drums, treads and sange comes and bashes your face in with 2k hp? Same for sven. Sven's early flash farm is a lot better than medusa's too.