General DiscussionWhat is the meaning of best vs and worst vs

no one knows exactly.

This forum is being run by 2k's (no joke they're all normal skill) so it's understandable why it's so unclear.

Stats don't really care if you're 2k or 10k, the thing is the stats on matchups are unclear and no one knows the formula. The tooltip says it compares win rates in an outside of matchups against a base win rate. Then there is a win rate next to the hero. Take a random hero, alchemist, his global win rate is 48%. His best vs is surprisngly spectre. Spectres global win rate is 54.85%. The win rate in the matchup thingy says 46.42% so I am assuming that is the win rate of spectre vs alch but again not sure, but if it was the other way around then that would be an awful matchup since alch would be winning under his global rate.

Now what the tooltip seems to imply is that in matches vs alch spectres win rate is 46.42% vs his global of 54.85% so the difference should be something like 7% but it's not, it's 3.32%. So we don't really know what the numbers mean. If you do the inverse and get alchs win rate vs spectre at 53.58% then compared to his global win rate that's still over 5% better. So the match is not revealed and no one knows exactly how the calculation is done.

take A as overall longrun average winrate of a hero X
B as his winrate on all the matches where there is hero Y in the other team

now there are two possibilities. either it is just the nominal difference of A-B, or it is a percentage (A-B)/A. probably one of those two is the actual one, and if u spend some time and look at the numbers, mb it will become clear that one of the variants suggested is clearly wrong. i dont have time to do it, neither I want to.

i concur with triple - i don't have the time or desire either :)

Triple the theorist/psychologist of forum

dont confuse me to relentless

A could be the overall longrun average winrate of hero X when hero Y is not present on the other team though.

the thing is we could probably derive the formula if we had access to that data, ie win rates when a hero is not present or on opposing team etc, but we don't have that info.

But yes it is rather useless. Everyone knows AA for example is really good vs lifestealer and alchemist but the numbers show that as being a very small advantage over them when most would consider AA a top counter to both.

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