blademail is a nice way spectre can turn around 1v1 fights and you need silver edge or you lose to dispersion. but yea sniper seems good against that cause he can dodge dispersion dmges.
But seriously tho
Spectre vs sniper is like 60-40 in favor of spectre
Sniper is a decent SE carrier, but spectre can initiate on sniper just by pressing R while sniper can't just find and hit spectre easily
Don't know why tb is constantly in t3-t4. What exactly are we talking about here? Late game 1v1 manfight? General lategame potentional? Anyway you look at it tb trashes every single hero late game in 1v1 except ck maybe. His pushing power is extremely hard as well.Definitely among the few heroes I would want ultra late game; tb, naga, medusa and morph. Jugg is pretty trash late game. Any single one of these can easily trash him.
CFT thats what i think too but if Sniper is caught alone (as he often is in the back lines behind his team), Spectre, that has items like abyssal manta butterfly diffusal or even bloodthorn, can totally destroy him very fast. But that doesnt mean spectre has an advantage against sniper, i think it's 50-50 at best if not sniper-favored cause of his supreme attack range that means he isnt affected by neither radiance not dispersion.
but if you build really tanky you are useless against spectre's team, as sniper is prtty much all the time the primary damage dealer of his team. and then spec wins.
ofc skadi and satanic is nice, but i dont know what other tank items he can apply to his build effectively.
@kitrak
I don't doubt you, but what's the reasoning behind weaver? do you mean it solely as an extension to a drow lineup or .. ? what makes him good this patch? medallion blightstone swarm roshan ability?
he owns batrider whos the best offlaner, so this is a major plus. bat pressures most carries very hard and weaver is not subject to this. similar reason to why jugg and naix have been so popular. partially luna as well - luna makes weak ranged supports able to zone bat because of lunar blessing. all carries atm have strong lane presences because the safelane is a point of contest in every game, and if you lose the safelane hard because u picked spectre or something, u just lose the game.
the bounty rune change really helps weaver. shadow i believe was already going bottle on weaver, but because of the runes, u should always go bottle on weaver and skip linkens, opting for a glass cannony build, ie wand blight boots dlance deso, then whatever survivability u need.
weavers really good against a lot of the meta heros. pretty good against jugg, really good against naix. not many supports atm carry lockdown and hes really good at sniping low hp heroes.
the map changes in general really favor mobile heroes because theres gonna be a lot more skirmishes and stuff in jungles which really helps weaver. it used to be that u could just place a couple of sents here and there and ud be covered when ur grouping and stuff, its much harder to do this now - more points of contest, generally more spread out stuff.
The tiers of carry but as for what? I'm a normal skill player but here's my thoughts;
Highest GPM while being 6 slotted? Probably CK assuming his ulti and Manta illusions are all active. TB has an insane DPS with Daedalus as well.
Or highest late game potential? I mean Sniper is the ultimate throne defender, can defend megas while fighting the enemy but I'd still say Gorgon with Rapier.
But that's not the issue any more. There's not much space to farm. We had 14 camps in 2 mins and now we have 9 camps. You just can't sit aside and farm. You have to hit the buildings or the enemy way more than before.
I wouldn't list Lycan because he's more of a pusher but he's really strong right now. I'd say Luna and Sniper are the best carries right now. They can farm efficiently and can fight at any stage of the game. Slark is good and Sven and PA can be mentioned as well.
Im not abt this tier bullshit. Im just talking abt stronk and not stronk carries. Also tb sux ultra late game for the reason that meta cant be always up, so especially when buybacks and aegis come into play he becomes kinda bad.
Thats the thing about this game. There is no 1 greatest late game option, otherwise every team would draft it. It's all situational and dependent on both teams matchups.
However, the general consensus seems that Dusa and Spec are 2 of the stronger hyper carries in the game. If the game goes very late, they both can survive for a long time and dish out a lot of damage, while also having the ability to take damage.
They also have skills that make it easier for them to control a fight (dusa ult), or join a fight with 4 more illusions (spec)
At the same time, them being super late game carries means that in the mid game, they are weaker off than other carries like e.g slark, PA, etc with the same farm
I love that Bloodseeker is not even rated as a carry by most people. Goes to show how utter dogshit he has been for the past year and a half and the most recent changes have done nothing to fix that.
Bloodseeker isnt that bad any more, pretty sure he is played as a situational pos 3-4 jungler or a pos 2 safe if u have say a jugg or dusa or alch mid who is ur real carry and the safe is supposed to make space for the mid, like np safelane. Basically he is a pretty decent slark and timbersaw counter imo, and the occasional am.
???? Did u even read????
blademail is a nice way spectre can turn around 1v1 fights and you need silver edge or you lose to dispersion. but yea sniper seems good against that cause he can dodge dispersion dmges.
cough*normal skill srub*cough 1 vs 1 me
But seriously tho
Spectre vs sniper is like 60-40 in favor of spectre
Sniper is a decent SE carrier, but spectre can initiate on sniper just by pressing R while sniper can't just find and hit spectre easily
Don't know why tb is constantly in t3-t4. What exactly are we talking about here? Late game 1v1 manfight? General lategame potentional? Anyway you look at it tb trashes every single hero late game in 1v1 except ck maybe. His pushing power is extremely hard as well.Definitely among the few heroes I would want ultra late game; tb, naga, medusa and morph. Jugg is pretty trash late game. Any single one of these can easily trash him.
i dont know how to say it but im talking about the carry potential in both pub and competitive game. Like ls in 6.88 and od on 6.86
With drafts the way they are and the current 7.01: CW, WK and Spectre for core positions.
troll warlord t1 SeemsGood
where is diox PLZ NERF TROLL TOO OP
@bws hurricane pike spectre and escape.
CFT thats what i think too but if Sniper is caught alone (as he often is in the back lines behind his team), Spectre, that has items like abyssal manta butterfly diffusal or even bloodthorn, can totally destroy him very fast. But that doesnt mean spectre has an advantage against sniper, i think it's 50-50 at best if not sniper-favored cause of his supreme attack range that means he isnt affected by neither radiance not dispersion.
not really. If you build really tanky you can pike him before he kills you
but if you build really tanky you are useless against spectre's team, as sniper is prtty much all the time the primary damage dealer of his team. and then spec wins.
ofc skadi and satanic is nice, but i dont know what other tank items he can apply to his build effectively.
necro jugg luna are quite good right now
or you can just have inhuman reaction to pike spec before he abbysal or bash you. Necro?? supp or carry why is he good.
dont be ridiculous. of all the heroes who can overpower spec, picking sniper is the biggest joke I've ever heard, lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di4j9v9kNt4 8:30
since when is there a carry tier system
what on earth is this weird NS shit
oh, you are talking about meta carries.
ecks dee yeah meta carries. what you see 1st picked by competitive scene
there is definitely a carry tier system, lol. theres two tiers - first is pick in any situation because its retarded, second is sometimes.
right now luna/weaver definitely occupy the first tier, maybe jugg as well. naix would be tier 1.5 and everything else is tier 2.
Necro is a dogshit support tbh
well its how you said it actually. you wont say ember and jugg is equal right? that is what i call tiers
CK Troll PA PL is the tier 1. They will unstoppable if they are at least six slotted including TP in reserve
necro, ck should be way up there.
why the fuck every body say necro? is he really good?
embers really fucking good atm
necro is as well.
@kitrak
I don't doubt you, but what's the reasoning behind weaver? do you mean it solely as an extension to a drow lineup or .. ? what makes him good this patch? medallion blightstone swarm roshan ability?
u can play pos4 weaver and thats fine w drow.
for safelane weaver
he owns batrider whos the best offlaner, so this is a major plus. bat pressures most carries very hard and weaver is not subject to this. similar reason to why jugg and naix have been so popular. partially luna as well - luna makes weak ranged supports able to zone bat because of lunar blessing. all carries atm have strong lane presences because the safelane is a point of contest in every game, and if you lose the safelane hard because u picked spectre or something, u just lose the game.
the bounty rune change really helps weaver. shadow i believe was already going bottle on weaver, but because of the runes, u should always go bottle on weaver and skip linkens, opting for a glass cannony build, ie wand blight boots dlance deso, then whatever survivability u need.
weavers really good against a lot of the meta heros. pretty good against jugg, really good against naix. not many supports atm carry lockdown and hes really good at sniping low hp heroes.
the map changes in general really favor mobile heroes because theres gonna be a lot more skirmishes and stuff in jungles which really helps weaver. it used to be that u could just place a couple of sents here and there and ud be covered when ur grouping and stuff, its much harder to do this now - more points of contest, generally more spread out stuff.
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dont think that was directed at u, was for the guy who watned advice on something
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thanks! really helpful.
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The tiers of carry but as for what? I'm a normal skill player but here's my thoughts;
Highest GPM while being 6 slotted? Probably CK assuming his ulti and Manta illusions are all active. TB has an insane DPS with Daedalus as well.
Or highest late game potential? I mean Sniper is the ultimate throne defender, can defend megas while fighting the enemy but I'd still say Gorgon with Rapier.
But that's not the issue any more. There's not much space to farm. We had 14 camps in 2 mins and now we have 9 camps. You just can't sit aside and farm. You have to hit the buildings or the enemy way more than before.
I wouldn't list Lycan because he's more of a pusher but he's really strong right now. I'd say Luna and Sniper are the best carries right now. They can farm efficiently and can fight at any stage of the game. Slark is good and Sven and PA can be mentioned as well.
what a stupid thread lmao
Xddddddd
Im not abt this tier bullshit. Im just talking abt stronk and not stronk carries. Also tb sux ultra late game for the reason that meta cant be always up, so especially when buybacks and aegis come into play he becomes kinda bad.
by pure carry pontential lc is the greatest simply because her damage scales infinitely. She is also probably the best 1v1 hero with equal farm.
Thats the thing about this game. There is no 1 greatest late game option, otherwise every team would draft it. It's all situational and dependent on both teams matchups.
However, the general consensus seems that Dusa and Spec are 2 of the stronger hyper carries in the game. If the game goes very late, they both can survive for a long time and dish out a lot of damage, while also having the ability to take damage.
They also have skills that make it easier for them to control a fight (dusa ult), or join a fight with 4 more illusions (spec)
At the same time, them being super late game carries means that in the mid game, they are weaker off than other carries like e.g slark, PA, etc with the same farm
naga is fucking trash now, actually tier 50
@bearcat0611
LC scales infinitely during the whole game. Ursa scales infinitely during one fight. Beat that.
<Pudge and Silencer do not count with their infiniteness>
Technically they do. If the game were to last say 2 hours with a silencer, that man will easily have over 100 int steal and hit for insane dmg.
t1: chaos knight, medusa, spectre, terrorblade, gyrocopter (ultra late- near invincible)
t2: luna, troll, morphling, antimage, morphling (flash farmers)
t3: slark, juggernaut, monkey king, ursa, phatom assasin, lycan, alchemist, legion commander (snowballers)
t4: sven, lifestealer, outworld devourer, drow ranger, sniper (situational strong)
t5: ember, riki, dragon knight, faceless void, magnus, necrophos, phantom lancer (team dependant ones)
IMO
I love that Bloodseeker is not even rated as a carry by most people. Goes to show how utter dogshit he has been for the past year and a half and the most recent changes have done nothing to fix that.
bloodseeker is better off now than he has been for a while.
No body really read the thread now its the meta carry actually
Bloodseeker isnt that bad any more, pretty sure he is played as a situational pos 3-4 jungler or a pos 2 safe if u have say a jugg or dusa or alch mid who is ur real carry and the safe is supposed to make space for the mid, like np safelane. Basically he is a pretty decent slark and timbersaw counter imo, and the occasional am.