Man iys simple just have a carry player that knows how to farm and how to play. Sven is op but not hard if u are good carry. Pick something can carry and if u lose still u are a bad player or at least not above ur mmr
I tend to win all the sven games with a Windranger pretty easily... He never gets MKB and with a decent team you should focus him out pretty fast. You have to do mid WR with a core build though.
Heavens halberd.
Unfortunately as a 3k scrub I can't convince alot of people that can build it situationally. :(
Heaven’s Halberd is not really a Sven counter because he can farm BKB so quickly. It only comes in time when position 1, 2, or 3 builds it.
Halberd
Force staff
Ghost scepter
Diffusal blade
Evasion
Kotl
Necrophos
Razor
Ta
Tinker
Enchantress
Batrider
Basically u keep him an arms length away, and/or prevent him from attacking and he doesn't do much.
1) Halberd is supposed to be built by 1,2 and 3 positions anyway.
2) It doesn't get purged if you manage to use it before BKB.
Halberf, BKB-piercing disables, kiting heroes.
Beastmaster is amazing against Sven, moreso than Batrider probably, but teams don't pick him for some odd reasons.
Actually thinking about making a thread about it.
Beastmaster is the hero this meta is missing. He counters Sven and any kitable melee cores, he pushes fast and can teamfight early - like, I see him as perfect missing pos. 3-4 in this meta.
He provides excellent map vision and boosts DPS in teamfights just by his mere presence.
Winter. She literally has the ability to make him switch focus in a teamfight. And her ult disables him completely for a decent ammount of time.
Beastmaster doesn't deal that much dmg
I think there were some nerfs after ti6 when he fell out of favor and he never recovered fully
Doesn't mean he is unplayed but I forget why tbh
Sven is countered by his hero design. There is always a way to exploit his weaknesses unless he is so far ahead that getting an item or two will not do jack shit. Literally every item counters him in some way or another, so while you are a monster when six slotted, once enemy builds shivas and skadi you are fucked, once they have halberd and you cannot use bkb in a specific moment you are fucked, if they have cores you cannot burst you down, but who can kite you after your failed attempt to kill them, you are fucked, if the enemy builds force staves and ethereals, you are fucked. And you are even fucked if the enemy has diffusal, because once you have a 5 sec bkb, they can remove warcry after your failed attempt to kill anyone, then kite you to death. Mostly speaking of heroes like morphling here.
If the enemy does not group up so you cannot take more than 1 or 2 targets in a fight, you might be fucked. If the enemy has mass saves, you are fucked. Sven is a heavy committal cooldown reliant hero who is extremely easy to abuse when he doesnt have 1000 GPM 25 minutes in to the game.
I repeat, the hero is countered by pretty much every game mechanic and utility item. Abuse him. He is on the clock much like antimage is, except antimage is rekt more by the fact that enemy carries get stronger than he is, while sven is fucked by the fact that there are 5 enemy heroes who can each build an item or two that counters him, since EVERYTHING counters him.
Sven is basically always on a timer, he is at his strongest just after he completes his bkb and drops off like a rock once his bkb gets lower and you get some kiting items. Pressure as much as you can earlygame before he can get ancients and build a big gold lead and you make dealing with him later on much less of a headache. If you can avoid having any of your cores instantly dying when he jumps and then kite/disengage you will be in a strong spot come later on.
Viper can't fight him 1v1 but he counter him good.
All of viper poison has attack speed slow, which hinder Sven insane attack output.
Poison also applies DPS which stop his dagger for a long period of time.
His ulti pierces spell immunity. Which you can kite him more easily.
Force Staff, NP ( not counter at fighting, just removes all his tower before he even gets relevant), right-click brood with evasion because sven wouldn't buy mkb ( radiance and unused solar crest), Halberd. His peak timing is pretty small tbh. Wyvern also good at removing sven's timing at teamfight ( literally I just repeat all people above said).
The one thing i'm not sure how to counter is mid io+sven.
Early game, Viper just ruins Sven, no questions there. Lategame, Viper with bonus 20 armor and any HP item is going to survive Sven jumping on him, and then Sven will just die to him being unable to hit him or go back at all.
The one thing i'm not sure how to counter is mid io+sven.
Try to stall the game or just the mid lane in some way. If you can do that you are likely to win. If you cannot do that, you are basically GG'd 10 minutes into the game because Sven+IO gets going WAY TOO EARLY for most lineups to handle.
Also don't forget that he hits like a kitten without his ult. Seriously, it's flaccid as fuck. Dragon knight, a hero considered not to be fight ready without his ult, still loses less damage potential without his ult.
Of course, Sven still cleaves, but the point is that out of all cooldown dependent carries, Sven is LITERALLY THE WORST ONE. If he doesn't have multiple damage items and multiple attack speed items, he isn't going to deal any fucking damage that a carry with a passive steroid of some sort is actually going to deal.
Sven struggles against tanky cores that he cannot burst down 2 shot and they have linken. Eg. Morphling with pike and linken.
I would used LC with blade mail and duel Sven after his ghost strength.
It works most of the time. :D
I really like to take sniper when our team has sven, all focus on him, and you just do your job until gg ez is called
euls
force
halberd
bmail
but yea sven is very strong and will probably get nerfed in the next patch.
Yep tons of ways to counter sven. I just pick troll and man fight bash him to death while he can't hit me cus whirling axes. By time he gets bkb you're enough ahead you bash him to death.
Pa lifestealer and enchantress are great counters. Once I made the mistake of picking sven against all three of those heroes. In short, we lost from the draft phase :c
Ok did you even watch that game? I did on my lunch break. Sven had nothing to do with the win, any carry would've been fine. Earthshaker and disruptor completely wrecked them.
it was mostly xxs with that fast blink completely destroying them
also lifestealer isnt that good against sven cuz sven has high armor and lifestealer cant rlly manfight a sven
pa is ok, cuz she can kite him, but she dies to cleave easily
enchantress is super good, it forces a fast bkb from sven, and even then ur so fucking fast on that hero that u can still kite him around
Ok did you even watch that game? I did on my lunch break. Sven had nothing to do with the win, any carry would've been fine. Earthshaker and disruptor completely wrecked them.
I didn't say that sven was the only reason.
and yeah, Xxs was a god on shaker.
^ i get 4-shot every time i try to fight a semi-farmed sven with his ult as lifestealer
The only way Naix can manfight Sven is if he has Abyssal and even then Sven may kill him.
It's a pseudocounter.
Not to mention that Sven outfarms Naix in almost every game simply by hero design.
Naix only beats Sven if he infests space cow, has a super fast armlet Deso, and Sven gets stunned so much that he can't pop warcry
Literally every single ability naix has is great vs Sven.... in theory. Rage lets you avoid getting stunned, feast lets you survive manfight vs Sven because he has a fuckton of HP and the lifesteal IGNORES ARMOR, open wounds slows the fuck out of Sven, and infest lets you either pop out of targets he focuses + abyssal, lets you "drive" a slardar/puck/qop/whatever to initiate on him without buying initiation items, or simply escape Sven if you survive but can't fight him. All things considered, Naix vs Sven matchup is very uneven because heroes are strong vs each other based on how the game is going and what kind of team compositions each team has. And you should always draft Naix with a good vehicle, preferably CC heavy, because Naix lacks CC before he gets an abyssal (and it might not be enough to kill Sven through warcry).
The problem is that they aren't going to be equally farmed, unless Naix' team starts applying pressure on Sven's team as early as possible. This would imply he had free farm (which actually happens) and other picked heroes aren't greedy as fuck.
So Naix can work against Sven based on timings alone, since he can become active much sooner and can maneuver the battlefirled with ease, where Sven is slow as fuck, easy to kite, without natural escape. Even when Sven is 6 slotted, a tanky Naix who survives his initiation is going to ruin him.
It's rather 50-50 depending on the draft imo but saying LS counters sven real hard is like saying AM counters int heroes
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IG destroyed Liquid with it, I just got destroyed in a game by a Sven, so I'm asking how the hell to counter this thing.
Besides Bane, I mean.