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General DiscussionNew system for skill levels please/ Very High Skill should be categor...

New system for skill levels please/ Very High Skill should be categorised. My Story/ Explanation Inside. in General Discussion
Skully

    I have been playing dota since Sumail's Storm Spirit shocked the world at ti5. Played only FIFA before that.

    I don't like being bad at the games I play so as a person who used to seek the secret to getting Very High Skill in forums like dotabuff I came across many different things like spam an OP hero, spam support, get high GPM during your first few games.

    After some attempts and also watching The International 7 I decided to just play my A-game in my solo games and take it very seriously. And so on this account I tried my hardest in my solo games whether I'm playing support or carry and have seen myself winning mid very easily and balancing farming and fighting.

    Soo... Now that I'm here I can't believe the level of play I'm seeing. While I have improved it seems my teammates are either casual players or players who are same skill as me due to having a 51 percent winrate over hundreds of games. What's funny is many people which very low mmr look at 4ks and think I wanna be 4k and when you get there it's all the same but a small amount of less mistakes are made.

    Very High Skill nowadays has no meaning. I believe the percentages for matches that are VHS or HS should have a much shorter range.

    Playing in very high skill players in these games, I can't believe these games are called very high skill. Even though it's unranked for now, I've played in VHS games through my other account and I think it's a joke that these players are in the 10-15 percent bracket.

    Very High Skill games mean nothing now, just means you may or may not be necessarily bad at dota.

    Now I'm not saying it should be changed because I'm dumpster-ing kids in my solo games but even for me I should not be playing in a game that is considered very high skill when I still have a juggernaut on my team trying to man-fight an monkey king for the first bounty rune and then giving first blood or a Pudge in the enemy jungle who finds a lone SF and thinks he can kill him alone at 25 mins. with just arcane boots and aether lens. Again i'm no pro myself which is why I believe these names should be changed.

    Conclusion:
    Dota is much more complicated than League and all those other MOBAS. I was thinking have a percentage system or just more skill levels like League and Overwatch has but make the percentages at least 3 percent higher.
    My aim was never to get a high matchmaking rating but play against better players because Im one of those people that are strongly able to match the skill of their opponents but not always have it. If I'm playing against 2ks then I play like a 2-3k if I play against 5ks then I play like a 5k.

    Feel Free to discuss and tell people what you think. If anything is wrong or sounds bad, it was not intentional. I just don't want to double-check everything I wrote to be as honest as I can.

    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

      *facepalm*

      chicken spook,,,,

        If I'm playing against 2ks then I play like a 2-3k if I play against 5ks then I play like a 5k.

        what?
        Also MMR is basically the "percent based system"
        There's nothing wrong with it
        Although I do agree if "VHS" tag should be placed much higher, although it won't matter much

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          1) skill brackets are set by valve and not dotabuff

          2) your complaint is about NORMAL MATCHES and not RANKED

          3) how can you know that you are able to play like a 5k when you are not even 5k? very delusional

          Skully

            There are people who have 6k friends that play with team and they still play well but when they go back to their low solo ranked games they dnt play at the same level. It's a mindset thing. Not jus me who plays like this.

            faw

              yeah because they get carried by their 6k friends

              many ppl say "i play in 6k stacks => i deserve 6k", but thats not true, at all

              Skully

                @im intp im SMART You are talking about a whole different since I said that also when I play in 2k stacks I play like a 2k. Getting the feeling you people arent open-minded or read properly at all.

                Skully

                  @rapira crit 1. This is a discussion thread so I'm not asking but opening something for discussion. 2. Again can you read the message before you put things in. I said 'even though it's only base on normal matches...'.
                  3. Not 5k because I also play like 3k when I'm in a 3k game. Mindset thing. I just don't have bad games when in 5k stacks we lose some games we win some but I've held my own in those games. But if you feel different I get it.

                  one syllable anglo-saxon

                    interesting mental gymnastics right there

                    faw

                      idk i dont read posts in which someone implies theyre better than they are

                      Skully

                        @im intp im Smart Isn't that everybody though? If you don't have a feeling you are better than you are or believe in your potential than you stay at the same mmr and don't play against better players. The reason I wrote all this was to talk about very high skill being categorised. It's not a shitpost so was looking for intellectuals. Can we focus on the purpose of this thread pls. Do you think what VHS means should be changed?

                        Jacked

                          its just a label. lol. it is meaningless.

                          Friendly player

                            I agree with you. MMR is just a number. Btw i notice 3k and 5k players barely do anything differently. So in my opinion to get to 5k doesn't require any skills, it just takes time

                            Desolate

                              ^ hahaha nice though 300 mmr player

                              O.J.'s Juicy Bag of Nuts

                                Agreed let's make very high skill 6k and above. I don't want to learn a new hero. Go on dotabuff and the top player of that hero is a 3ker or 4ker

                                Jacked

                                  i said the label is meaningless, not the mmr

                                  Jacked

                                    even if they changed the label, why does it matter. rofl

                                    Any

                                      @Jacked dont you think that its weird to call 3.7k to 5.9k very high skill?

                                      TripleSteal-

                                        ever heard of dunning kruger
                                        if not, thats it

                                        Skully

                                          ROFL dunning kruger. I said in my message '...Again i'm no pro myself which is why I believe these names should be changed...'

                                          Skully

                                            Wow people are talking about the real discussion here, thanks for your opinions on this guys. Now I know I'm not alone in this though.

                                            A 4K average game and 7k average game are both very high skill? Seems like some tweaking should be done.

                                            H^

                                              0-999 inhuman creature
                                              1k+ Low Skill
                                              2k+ Normal Skill
                                              4k+ High Skill
                                              6k+ Very High Skill

                                              Problem solved.

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                                              one syllable anglo-saxon

                                                u forgot 3.5k - Hanter skill

                                                H^

                                                  I'm 4599 right now as we speak so there's no need for a 3.5k hanter skill bracket.

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                                                  Lokieleven

                                                    Anytime I have a guy in my game who's party mmr is 1k above their solo mmr I know I can't count on that player.

                                                    Pooh-Bah

                                                      who cares about vhs label, just go by mmr

                                                      chicken spook,,,,

                                                        i notice 3k and 5k players barely do anything differently

                                                        good shit

                                                        A

                                                          Vhs in unranked ITS joke. They are all 2k practicing carry

                                                          1st class tourist

                                                            Ring ring China here, we want our wall back thank you!

                                                            Skully

                                                              Strongly agree boys. All those Dotabuff people who ask how to get VHS when smurfing should never be able to achieve it unless they git gud and not by spamming one hero or afk farming for GPM or some shit.

                                                              Gazz   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                                                                So in my opinion to get to 5k doesn't require any skills, it just takes time

                                                                High mmr players also has excellent gaming PC (I play at very low settings), excellent ping (I play at 110ms), and very comfortable environment (An ordinary room).