General DiscussionDead Ember build

He had his time

bf builds dead as fuck

the build was never good AFAIR

Bf build befor talents and going into magic always had solid 40% win rate on ember, so it is good as that

pls dont do BF on heros which can kill enemies instead of farming...

Dead for almost a year

its fine

Just get a veil and snowball

It died cus they changed battlefury cleave aoe so it doesn't cleave off sleight of fist anymore. So it's worthless on ember.

Go bottle aquila travel boots linken/lotus/neither radiance
Midone seems to be doing so almost everygame apart from lotus but it's also good. After radiance get what you need. Shiva, octarine, bkb are some good options. Haven't seen him get veil at all lately.

on the other hand, ive seen midone get battlefury. which means, battlefury > veil. case closed.

what i do is kill heroes early game with magic damage, then transition to bf daed later, idk thou

ember has so many weaknesses ( vulnerable to physical Dmg (so vulnerable to every low armor buffs )- vulnerable to silence - vulnerable movement speed reduce
but he is a flash farmer
So you use at least your 3 slots when you can buy something to improve your hero from this weaknesses
EUL for silence - manta for silence
Veil for armor - Veil for mag amp and some stats and a little mana - shiva for armor and mana - Blink dagger for iniciate and escape
linken for disables and orchid
and you waste your potential into magic dmg while mag dmg overall is much higher than a rapier ember
So yea f*cking dead

ember bf build is dead like ur grand grand grand mother

bf build is still strong late but you will be useless all game until you have your crit and then you will be useless because you have no defense but if you go for defense first you will have no dmg

ember is not a flash farmer, he is only vulnarable to very heavy slows and only when played by bad players and there are multiple ways to counter silence anyway. most people seem to be rushing radi these days. not sure how good that is but the earlier you get it the stronger that item is so if you want to get one, it might be a good idea to just rush it.

The magic build, despite all its nerfs, is just too good of an alternative to the battle fury build now. Early fight w veil and lvl 10 talent, crazy damage, and you still scale to the late game(mjollnir and the like). Despite this, I love the BF build, and I think it's still viable; worse than the magic build, but still viable.

u guys just dont know how to play it it works fine between 3-4k atleast just git gud

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/397405272/matches?hero=ember-spirit i have a low winrate but thats cuz i got raped first 20 games i tried him like this

Situation pick. in ur brain u need to be a step forward to ur enemy. in my bracket u can so ez own with ember

u can build simply every item on him since the magic build

bf build only works if ur already shitting on them with only travels, even then can fail

The magic build simply allows you to use so many spells and remnants and be more elusive and tanky

bf build used to be so good lmao, pls dont type if u have no clue ty

I'm still using old builds of ember... like BF, crit, travel, dagger and of course divine It's because In the mid and late game you will totally wipe those enemies, with illusions or none. Magic build maybe is only for early and mid game but in the late game if you have a enemy with high HP high magic resistance ur totally useless. And to my build if I want a defense I build linken or BKB so I can survive in clashes. (sorry for my very very BAD ENGLISH!) peace !

Just like the other said it's situational... if enemies has a high HP and high magic resistance go with the old builds. but if your enemies are too vulnerable of magic.. then go with magic build.. totally depends .. (sorry for my bad english again!)

Here's a hint guys
Cleave and SoF rework

How is ember a not flashfarmer. His ult + bots literally make him able to farm two place at a time

y revive 3 weeks' thred